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Gérald Olivier “Europe must come to terms with the idea that America will no longer play the world’s policeman”

8 November 2024 Interviews   245881  

Former editor-in-chief of Spectacle du Monde, Gérald Olivier is a keen observer of American politics. He is the author of Sur la route de la Maison-Blanche : le dictionnaire des élections présidentielles américaines (Jean Picollec Éditeur, 2020). In this interview, he analyzes the repercussions of Donald Trump’s reelection for the United States and the rest of the world.

By Nicolas Chene et Yacine Tazaghart

What does Donald Trump’s reelection signify?

– Gérald Olivier: Trump is a New Yorker. He is a businessman who grew up in Queens. Queens is the small suburb; I would say the second zone of New York. It is not Manhattan: it does not have the luxury or the class. But it’s not the Bronx either, which is the underclass. Queens is a small middle class that is not necessarily overly ambitious. In fact, this is the criticism he leveled against his father. His father became wealthy in Queens, and Trump wanted to become rich and conquer Manhattan. He went far beyond that. He is an extremely ambitious businessman who believes in himself. He also believes in the country that allowed him to build his fortune and achieve the destiny he has had. And he realized over time that this destiny he received help from was no longer easily accessible to the average American. Not all Americans want to become Donald Trump, but all want the freedom to make their lives what they wish. In this sense, he connects with the American people and embodies the American dream. He is not necessarily the personification of the American dream, but one of the meanings of that dream. Trump wants to make that dream accessible again to the masses who, in the 20th century, found it naturally attainable because American prosperity meant anyone could live their own American dream.

What can Trump realistically achieve from these promises in terms of immigration, buying power, or international politics?

– It is not as easy as it seems. But Trump will never admit that. He will always speak in blunt, extremely simplified, even simplistic terms. His first priority will be to restore America’s sovereignty. It is important to understand that a country without borders does not have sovereignty. So, for him, the first thing will be to restore American sovereignty by securing the borders to stop illegal immigration. Illegal immigration, not legal immigration. His second priority will be to focus on the economy. To make the American dream accessible again, he will need to stop inflation and restart the economic machine, particularly through a key sector in the United States: energy production. The U.S. has the largest reserves of fossil fuels in the world. Trump will not hesitate to use them. He will flood the world with oil and shale gas. This will have the immediate effect of lowering the cost of these resources and making industries like automobile manufacturing, among other key sectors of the U.S. economy, economically workable again. This brings us to his third priority: boosting American industry through a form of economic protectionism by imposing tariffs on non-American goods. Finally, his fourth priority will be to deal with world affairs. This will not be easy because he does not control all the cards. He must rely on partners, some of whom are rivals, like China, and other allies, like Europe. And since Trump wants to end the war in Ukraine, he will inevitably have to manage the complex relationships between the U.S. and Russia, between Europe and Russia, and between the U.S. and Europe, particularly through NATO. This will require a lot of effort and accommodation. But Trump is someone who likes to get his hands dirty!

Should Europe fear the return of Trump, particularly in terms of defense?

– No, on the contrary. Donald Trump is an opportunity for Europe. Europe should seize this moment to develop its own defense capabilities. Today, Europe has truly little interest for the United States. In the U.S. presidential campaign, Europe’s place was almost nonexistent. I am not even sure the word “Europe” was uttered once during the Democratic or Republican conventions. Europe is really not a priority for Americans. Their priorities are relations with China and perhaps the BRICS, which are emerging powers. Not to mention relations with Middle Eastern countries, particularly Iran, which is a major destabilizing force in an extremely fragile and volatile region. Europe has ultimately become a peripheral issue. In the eyes of Americans, Europe only appears in the context of the Ukrainian dossier, concerning the thorny question of Ukraine’s future within the European Union.

What should Europe do about this?

– What Europeans must take away from Donald Trump’s reelection is that the world is profoundly changing. The United States is moving toward a radically less interventionist position on international matters. They no longer want to play the role of the “world’s policeman” and be available at will. From now on, Europeans will have to find someone else to ensure their security. They will need to do this themselves or through new institutions designed to manage international conflicts. The United States under Trump does not believe it has a duty to send soldiers to fight outside its borders. And they will not do that anymore.

Is this the end of NATO?

– No, not at all. I could be wrong, but it seems to me that the solution to the Ukrainian conflict will actually involve revitalizing the function and purpose of NATO. What does that mean? It is clear that Ukraine’s goal is to obtain European protection. This protection from Russia can only come through NATO. In this scenario, Russia’s aim will be to secure some form of guarantee that NATO will never engage hostility against it. That is not the case currently. Up until now, Putin’s real goal has been to rebuild the Soviet Union by creating vassal states along its borders. However, states under NATO protection will never be vassalized by Russia. This will be the best way to make Putin realize that the Soviet Union belongs to the past and that he can never rebuild it. And there will inevitably come a time when Russia will have to make a compromise…