Rise of populism in Europe, renunciation of humanist and human rights values, failure of Western military and humanitarian interventions, return of the Taliban… Bernard Kouchner, founder of the NGO Médecins Sans Frontières (MSF) and former French Minister of Foreign Affairs, speaks in this interview with frankness and lucidity. While acknowledging the failures, drifts and regressions, he strives to remain optimistic, calling to believe more than ever in Man, certainly capable of the worst, but also and always of the best!